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I agree with Franklin on this issue.
We are talking about the AMA enforcing their own Rules per the Safety Guidelines. I do not agree with Safety Guidelines, reason: either they are rules to be inforced by a field Safety Officer nominated by a club to that job, that is their purpose. The so call GUIDLINeS is a Hoax . A Guideline is a potential ruling, not a Rule of LAW. If someone violates a Safety Guidline the Safety Officer or anybody in attendance can that is a wittness to that, can make a formal complaint to the Safety Officer or any on the Board of Directors of that club for action to be taken against the offender.
The AMA does not enforce their own Guidelines if one does not abide and creates a hazard on a flying field. Will the AMA stand behind them and take action, NO
They will not get involved. Nor will they be involved in any lawsuit if an injury occurs of reckless flying and not abiding by Safety Rules. Not unless someone files a complaint against the AMA, which won't do much good if any, the Homeowners Insurance is then responsible, to take any action or pay for the injury.
That is the problem here and I myself have a problem with that. Why if we pay the AMA for a card , what good does it do us? To me, nothing but giving more money to fatten CEO's pockets for money they do not deserve..
Now, I got this off my chest and welcome arguments. We are talking AMA here, not the Military.
I do not agree with Safety Guidelines, reason: either they are rules to be inforced by a field Safety Officer nominated by a club to that job, that is their purpose. I have no idea what that means. You don't agree with the safety guidelines because they are guidelines? Either they are rules to be inforced or.....what? Would you feel better if they were called Rules instead of Guidelines? You want them now to be a Law?
If someone violates a Safety Guidline the Safety Officer or anybody in attendance can that is a wittness to that, can make a formal complaint to the Safety Officer or any on the Board of Directors of that club for action to be taken against the offender.
Right, exactly, and that is precisely what does happen, and what should happens. Although I see everyone in a club as a safety officer, at events and elsewhere you have a safety officer, field marshal, or a CD at events. That's their job, and given the few incidents we see each year like the one Frankin clings too when discussing safety, it's fair to say the process works. I can tell you first hand this absolutely happens as I've CD'd events, and been at events where safety is the main focus other than flying. I've stopped planes from flying, and I've had my own plane grounded until a problem was fixed.
We are a self policing organization, I guess folks are now calling for more oversight, more involvement, and more regulation from a national organization. I guess that will preclude any further accidents somehow?
The AMA does not enforce their own Guidelines if one does not abide and creates a hazard on a flying field. Will the AMA stand behind them and take action, NO. They will not get involved
Have no idea what that means. It appears you expect a national organization to be held accountable for something that happens at a local field, and in all likelihood they know nothing about, seemingly because they won't take some type of enforcement action? Lobbing a generalization out there about what the whole organization will or won't do (AMA does not enforce their own guidelines) is done without any proof. Curiously absent in your statement is what you expect the local club to do, and their board and membership....I guess they get a pass on responsibility? Look to big brother AMA to do something, but not the club and their membership? Sorry, that makes no sense.
Nor will they be involved in any lawsuit if an injury occurs of reckless flying and not abiding by Safety Rules. Not unless someone files a complaint against the AMA, which won't do much good if any, the Homeowners Insurance is then responsible, to take any action or pay for the injury.
That is just patently false. I do not think you understand how that process works in general.
Why if we pay the AMA for a card , what good does it do us? To me, nothing but giving more money to fatten CEO's pockets for money they do not deserve..
Only you can answer why you pay for the AMA card. If you don't know why, that's on you. It's your personal choice, you are not forced to do anything. This appears to be another process or situation you are just not fully aware of. Who again is the "CEO" of the AMA? What is his salary again? Do you know how much money the President of the AMA makes? And the DVPs?
0.0. That's how much. Not exactly fat pockets are they?
Do you belong to a club? Are you a CD or safety officer? Have you ever CD'd an event, or served as an aircraft inspector at an event?