Originally Posted by
franklin_m
Well, are you proposing more of the same processes that are clearly not working? Due process? You're confusing judicial processes with administrative processes. Someone operating one of these is doing so on a waiver. If they can't follow the rules, and it's clear they don't, then what more would you need?
As I said above, if you have the luxury of time, then go ahead and waste more of it by doing more of the same and HOPING for a different result. I think that's unlikely here...did you notice at the very end of the video the operator didn't even obey their own rule for no taxing past the bright yellow line / stop sign that clearly says no taxing?
Why the reluctance to take administrative action? Is holding people accountable that frightening? You've got a jet traveling 285 feet per second over a busy transition between a state route and an interstate highway. You've got a jet that can travel the length of the runway after loss of signal before the ending even shuts down. And that's only if they're following that rule, which would be stretch since they don't seem to be following other ones. And it's flying over occupied parking lots, buildings, etc.
What's worse is that it is either an AMA member or they're letting folks fly in violation of the rules. Even worse is all the other AMA members that are there, some of whom were probably watching. Why did they allow it? Why did they not intervene? Why wasn't the dangerous behavior reported to Andy before this? Lots of question, none of them look good with respect to compliance or safety culture. And all dealing with some that can cause considerable damage and injury doing what they're doing.
I said what I said, and pedantry aside the concept of due process fits both the judicial and administrative theme/process as noted here. You finally have someone listening to you here, and I can see the build up and where this will lead, so I'll skip the million question/answer thing since no matter what I'll say, it won't be accepted. It seems to me like you feel this is an some type of everyday occurrence epidemic that must be eradicated immediately, and you have noted your frustration and being ignored in the past. Hopefully that will change for you now. I don't disagree that folks should follow the rules, and if they don't, they should be held accountable. Folks flying with this guy or others in similar situations are at least partially to blame too for not taking some type of action. I can only say I won't be spending my time looking for online videos to report in to people and hope that action gets taken. I deal with the safety issues that I see at the fields I fly at. For example, we had a swap meet this past Sunday and had about 75 people show up. All types of aircraft being sold. Two guys at two different times fired up quads and lifted off the ground. The people around them did nothing, until I headed over to tell them to knock it off. I get it, they figured what's the big deal, we're just testing it. Except it's in the parking lot of the field. 50 feet away is a perfectly good safe spot set aside just for quads. Last week I landed into a tough crosswind and because of the way our field is set up, let the plane wander too far in past one flight station (not the one I was at), and sure enough, someone behind me said "you're not supposed to taxi in the pits", and he was right.
Overall we are a self policing club and organization, not saying it can't get better in some instances, but for me we are all safety officers and have a responsibility to enforce the rules on the books.