Rich/Bill You are correct on the down thrust. As for side thrust on my Nosen using G23's I used 3-4 deg out thrust on both motors! First try was with everything set @ zero and was fine till I had an engine out situation and was a handful just to get it on the ground in one piece. Reset the thrust angles @ 3-4deg and could hardly tell when an engine flamed out, just needed more throttle to keep air blast on that big old tail!