Shawn (speedracerntrxie),

I agree mostly with both of your posts and especially this:

"If guys want to participate they will find a way to do so"

"... the answer to gaining more participation is not changing our format or equipment. It's promoting out little sport of pattern like we used to do way back when".

I don't go as far back of many of you. I didn't start flying pattern until the 1990s. I encountered a lot of problems (many that were my fault), but with the willingness to stick with it and the help of a lot of my fellow pattern flyers I was able to fly a sequence (without crashing anyway).

I realize that there are a lot of different opinions being posted on this thread and their intent is the same: to increase participation in pattern. So please continue, I think that there are some interesting ideas being proposed.