Al, my apologies if it sounded as if it appeared I was leading towards a DLE vs YS debate, certainly not my intention. Simply giving the OP a wide variety of options. It's no surprise to me that you and I will have different Veiw points due to our flying styles being different. 3D is not quite as power hungry as doing large maneuvers at a constant airspeed. I would agree that by most people's standards I grossly overpower my models as that is what is required for my type of flying. When suggesting power plants, I will usually point out the best power to weight options as I beleive giving guys a full range of options is best.