Thanks I like the rachet roll idea, I don't know that my cap would do the tumbles.I like slow rolls with a sudden snap put into the middle and then keep on wih the slow roll. I've never heard of a shoulder roll before though.

One thing that I practice before any comp, pattern, pylon, and now IMAC is two 1/4 rolls then a 3/4 as fast as the plane will roll, over and over and over untill I muck it up. I find it gets my brain working really hard at first then it switches off and it all happens without thinking. It looks surprisingly impressive after the first 2 or 3.

What is your favourite takeoff run?

Mine is a slow roll to KE then a KE figure of 8.

Matt