thanks mc17. i have designed my own plane because i am flying F3A competition (top class here in aus) and need a plane that flys pretty much exactly to my liking. i lke the faster models with straight snaps and a very positive aileron control. believe it or not this model is actualy designed around a seduction wildstyle 3D model because i noticed that in flight the model flies very straight like a pattern model and almost corects itself in the wind.thanks for the replies guys!