Originally Posted by franklin_m

35 out of 2000 isn't even statistically significant! And that's not accounting for other sampling errors - like limited geographic sampling. And so what if you went to more?


SJA and JAG Corps officers, and their investigations, are judicial in nature. In a mishap, they investigate only line of duty issues for determination or criminal acts. But you knew that right? Or are you just slinging acronyms?

No, it's guys like me that do the investigations. Requires sub-speciality code that's awarded only after specific aviation mishap investigation training. Nope, its aviators going through the wreckage, scouring training records, etc. HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE. Quite UNLIKE the AMA. And again, the results of the mishap investigations, or near miss HAZREPS, are PUBLISHED for all aviators to read. Again, all processes geared toward holding ourselves accountable and learning from the mistakes (or idiocy) of others.

There's NOTHING like that in AMA. If there was, they would have published a post-mortem on the Fairview Club in MA. But they didn't. If there was, they'd have posted a lessons learned after nearly planting a 100lb LMA into the crowd. They didn't. And if there was, they'd have written a "This is what NOT to do" article on the people standing around "Mayhem Park" and tolerating breaches of flight discipline / not enforcing their own rules. And yet again, the sound of crickets. Nothing.


Yep, and in my aviation experience, they're not tolerated and they're held accountable. I've yet to hear of AMA holding ANYONE accountable for breaches of flight discipline. Let alone CDs that make awful risk decisions.


Except that I have email from EC member saying they were "monitoring" ... no mention of ANYTHING they'd done / would do.


Read the court case. There were frequent events at the club, which required CDs. Even if not, is the club not representing the AMA? Why should it take a CD to fix things? Or is that just rationalizing not taking action to control your own (i.e. clubs') actions? And so what if it wasn't weekly ... there should not have been years of experiences by neighbors of the overflights. All that shows is that they indeed tolerated it.