I have to agree with Mongo. It's us so called "expert naysayers" that actually need to be convinced that joining the AMA is what we need to do. It's a known fact that the AMA is on the verge of bankruptcy and needs new members badly due to wasteful spending and no real fiscal planning. We possible new members really don't need the AMA for anything since they don't provide anything I can't get elsewhere. Therefore, as I said, the AMA needs to convince us "expert naysayers" to join the AMA and discussing these issues in a transparent and honest way would be a good place to start