Thanks for the info. I haven't checked this post in a long time. Maybe I should get a sim, you do have a point in that it would be hard to learn everything in two days. I did fly again three times in very calm winds. Success!!! gotta love my mini piper. Anyway, I have posted in the flight simulator forum, but nobody wanted to start an arguement and I was just told to spend more money again *sigh*. A question. With the CG, if you put it aft of the manufactor's point, that would make the elevator more sensitive right (it would move the nose more for the movement it makes,, leverage i think) and the opposite would make it less sensitive right?? So when i would want to do aerobatics, I would pull back the CG??? Not that I would, just wanted to know...