I gave ya the point way back on post #322, , , , and now I'm left wondering if to "agree to disagree" may be the best course of action between all of the holders of the two different viewpoints here. It's become "punch in the face" obvious that neither you nor Echo are gonna change each other's minds on this, why aggravate yourselves further with an effort that has become the textbook definition of futile ?

That was the attempted humor behind "Yakety Yak", you can both talk till you're blue in the face(or have keyboard calloused fingertips ) and neither side is ever gonna capitulate.

PS, I hope you both know (Astro & Echo) this ain't a dig at either side, just my view of the stalemate as presented......