Originally Posted by
aymodeler
These are all actions/failures by members. And I know that you will say that silence by the AMA leadership effectively constitutes complicity, and I won't argue that. But I do maintain that is still very different from the very flagrant and risky behaviors that are actively and directly being promoted (and maybe even encouraged) by the Flite Test organization itself through their YoutTube channel.
Everything I've ever been taught about leadership is that it's not just what one does, but so too what they tolerate. So in that sense, I agree but state the two actions are equivalent. If I'm a leader not following my own rules, I'm wrong. On the other hand, if I'm a leader and tolerate my organization not following the rules, that's just as wrong.
Originally Posted by
aymodeler
Also, the AMA is not playing "whataboutism" here. Maybe you can claim that I am (and maybe I am even a little bit guilty of that), but I certainly do not speak for the AMA and I have never seen the AMA making any claims about Flite Test or any other organization. All I am trying to point out is that Flite Test has many positives and many negatives (like any organization, including the AMA). There seems to be a tendency here to highlight only the negatives associated with the AMA and only the positives of the Flite Test. Again, I have no association with either and think there is plenty to like and plenty to dislike about each.
Don't disagree. In fact, I don't think one can objectively measure whether one is better or worse than the other based on what they do and do not offer. Each caters to its constituency. AMA's membership (at least those who vote) cares about things that FT members do not. FT focuses on what's required by law for a CBO, which isn't much.
Originally Posted by
aymodeler
In short, if you are genuinely concerned about safety (and I think you are) it would seem that you would be just as active at speaking up about the safety risks with what appears to the more rapidly growing organization and the one that is currently representing the hobby to (quite literally) millions of people.
As I said, whether large or small, whether leaders breaking rules themselves, or leaders tolerating rule breaking in their organization, both are wrong.