I thought about that cappio, the plane will do rolls, knife edge, split S, Immelmann, inverted flight and inverted turns (hey, my instructor used to do pattern comps and is teaching me some stuff) but they keep me busy as the devil on the sticks.. And of course most are ugly on the trainer but still fun) I hoped the flatter wing would take some of the fight out of it <grin> I do have my eye on a 4*40 for a second plane but still have quite a bit to learn on this one first.