CSHEPARD! No it didn't, it was given to me. Montague! Thanks for the info! Actually I don't think I would want to get involved with an "out for blood event" where you gotta be friends with a machinist to compete, if that"s what i think it is, but it would sure be fun to watch and help out. CSHEPARD, from what I gather the TT 15 will be my choice for SSC. Thanks for the FYI tho.