Thanks Fla-g for the pictures, It fly's it fly"s Oh and your two bits worth... I also have had many good flites with the WF, Its really quite tuff, Its seem that I have ran into or hit just about all the things around hear. And thanks to all the others for there help and ideas. Just finished a Clancy's lady bug, with the Gws stick set-up, but its raining,and windy BoOO. It looks like it will be a in-close fun flyer. Say Clancy fly his a the San Diego, electric fly-in a couple years ago, and he was having a blast. Any others flying one? E-Jim