ok, seen that site, i guess i didn't pay much attention to it the first time. as far as the trade in, that kinda iffy, but yes, that is a very good price. thank you so very much, i believe i have come to a decision on an engine.super stick, i'm not ignoring your advice, i'm just looking to putter around a little for now. if you know of a good 4 stroke that can haul ***** in a .61, please leave me a post. i'm not new at planes, but i've always purchased rtf's, mostly used coming with an engine so i didn't have to worry about engine selection.

nick, keep in touch, i think you might be helpful in the future!!