Goalie--

The HobbyZone line of planes are the rockbottom of starter planes. They will allow you to get your feet wet at a very minimal cost. PLUS, the support that you receive from Horizon Hobby on these planes is second to none. If you have any problems with any HobbyZone product, just contact them at 1-877-504-0233 and talk to the Product Support department or email them at [email protected]. They'll make sure you're taken care of.

Check out www.horizonhobby.com, and look at the other HobbyZone planes if you'd like to keep costs down. The Firebird Outlaw is one of the more basic planes. There are a couple more planes that are more advanced in features and capabilities. If you're looking to avoid the HobbyZone line altogether, might I recommend the Hangar 9 Arrow Trainer. It'll run you over $300, but it's gonna last a tad longer than a HobbyZone definately.

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Desertpig--

I understand what you said, and I also agree that it was quite harsh. Think about it though......after you've been driving a Ferrari for most of your driving experience, would you want to get in a Pinto or Festiva? Everybody's got to start somewhere. So back off a little bit. He's just starting out and YES he will get some experience out of flying a HobbyZone plane, but nothing that's going to cause him to magically learn how to fly a Hangar 9 46% TOC Ultimate.

I'm just saying that next time, take into account or think back to when you were just starting out. I bet you weren't flying Ultimate's out of the womb now were you?