fox35, yeah, i know. it's a shame not to fly it but the boss (who lets me enjoy this hobby ) says she wants it for her bar/restuarant. she had the ceiling painted to look like the sky with clouds and she thinks a plane would go pretty well with it. here's a photo showing what i mean. anyway, i had a feeling that the J3 would be a little touchy in wind, as you say, and where i fly it is almost always windy and a crosswind at that.