The shuttle plus is £50 more expensive in the uk than the T-ZX. Yes i have got a new copy of Rays Helicopter manual. The pitch was definitely -1 to +8 and it was rechecked when i went to a heli club the weekend before. As to the relationship between the throttle and the pitch that was set to the figures in the shuttle manual. I will admit that i relied on them settings in the manual as i would not no any better. There was no wind so i can not even blame that. I can tell you Barbary it did drop like a stone as the smashed undercarriage and the snapped training gear will confirm to my cost.

Paul