I've been un-naturally lucky at the club meetings in the fuel drawings, they're starting to talk conspiracy. I think the 180 is too much motor for the frame itself to resist the torque and what not. But then I could mount a cyclic and collective to the prop right? muwahahah I'm over a mile up in elevation and we usually have to over-power stuff to get it to go. I'll probably go the 120 route ultimately, kinda waiting for folks like you to get those flight reports in.