Wayne, in post #228 you said you have a Razor 350 you would loan Tom. Did I miss somthing. I am glad you like the extra, the yak is just as awesome. I also made a mod on the rudder of the extra, nearly zero coupling in KE. I will send pvt email with the mod. I read in another post Dave Sloan is going to do an indoor pro bro in Anderson, IN. I will try to make, should be able to, how about we all converge??? Jeff W.