Where I live I have house after house and a occasional football/baseball field. I have flown many model planes that can cover alot of distance in a short time in the fields. By the way, i fly way over the trees and children. My question was edging toward areobatics that requier you to come cloeser to the ground (below "tree level"). You guys where exaactly right that the "piece o cake," and "buterfly,"are big planes and dont normally pull off areobatics (from my understanding), i didnt mean to post my question in this poll [], sorry...(just in case anyone can help me on this poll) but, i do have a parkflyer called aerobird by hobbyzone and I still have alittle problem at judging the distance (btw its a pritty fast parkflyer) between the two distances[&o]...thanks for reading!!