I'm starting to get the hang of these by practicing them on AFP. The advice about lowering your aileron throw is right on the money. There is enough to keep up with at the tail without having to deal with the aileron when first learning them. I found that reducing the aileron deflection to 35 degrees and bumping up the propwash to about 50 made a huge difference in AFP. Simply peg the aileron stick to one side and practice getting the rudder and elevator timing down.