You are right guys I found I can do it but it's a handful. I've got to work aileron and elevator a lot. Now, I should really start a new thread but since my other question directly relates to the same plane I'll stay in this one. The real reason why I bought this plane is , I want to learn to TR. I've been practising now with my new magic for 3days in a row but I can only get as far as 90 degrees of rotation and then I loose it. Twice I actualy managed 180 degrees but that I think was more luck than skill. Dear fellow TR experts what should be the next thing I should concentrate on. Are there any expected tendencies ? Talking about tendencies , once I get it into the sweet spot I feel that in order to keep it vertical I really need to work left rudder rather than right one. Seems to be complete opposite from what I've read so far. Are there any tricks perhaps I should be aware of? Maybe I have too much expectation from myself at this moment but I think any good hint can speed up the learning curve.