Sorry, I don't know any of the planes you mention. But my first piece of advice is, stop in at your local hobby shop and find out what clubs are in your area. Visit the fields on weekends, introduce yourself, talk to the people, find out who the instructors are. Try to meet a few different instructors, find one you think you can learn from.

If there is no local hobby shop, check out the ama website (www.modelaircraft.org). Click buttons till you find the directory of member clubs, sorted by state. Each listing will give contact info for a club officer or two.

Your instructor ought to be a key figure in your RC life. Don't buy anything until you've talked it over with him. Forget sex appeal, forget falling in love with something that looks exciting. Let your instructor steer you into something he knows will be within your capabilities, that he can help you straighten out when difficulties arise. Very possibly he will know of a trainer whose pilot has moved on, engine broken in and available at a good price.

Learning to fly RC is like breaking in a wild mustang, except YOU are the horse. The plane knows how to fly, it just needs a competent rider. After you solo, you will come to love any model that takes off smoothly, doesn't flame out, turns, loops, rolls, handles a crosswind and comes down in one piece within reasonable walking distance.

Next advice is, invest in a simulator. Let all your crashes be virtual! There is a world of valuable resources in a good simulator--not just learning how to move the sticks, but dialing in center of gravity, setting up control throws, modifying any surface, flying in any wind, reacting to in-flight "anomalies"...

Welcome to one of the world's great hobbies!