...thanks for the reply - the Pigi just never has got me too excited - i don't know what it is...maybe the name - PIGI!...i viewed Hobby Lobby's video and i didn't think it was too exciting either...

...for plane number one, i've kinda narrowed it down to 3D Foamy's Turbo Raven or Flatfoam's Vortex...

...for plane #2 i'm thinking about the Freedom 3D or maybe waiting on Great Plane's newly announced Sukhoi w/Kontronik combo to ship...i still can't make up my mind, though...