Let all these DA wizards have their say, but I honestly believe Kris knows his facts and figures. There are just some people that are so biased towards certain brands, usually DA. They won't buy anything else no matter what so I guess that is ok. I am so sick of hearing all the DA crap that I don't think I will ever own one. I am sure they are good engines, but they can NOT be so much better than everything else like these people let on. Can you say pi$$ing contest? I can. I will take my zdz 80 and BME 100 and have a blast! Keep up the good informative work Kris!