I think I will pick up a few 11x4's and a couple 12x4's and start with the 11's. I think I might go with wood to start with. I would rather ruin a prop than an engine or worse any day. I am hoping that the 11x4 should hover and pull it out nicely. I can get the the pt 40 to hover for several seconds on RF G2. So with a little practice I should be able to get the Avistar to do it easily enough. But I also dont want a plane that wants to cruise at 70mph to start with either. I am hoping to keep it under 60. For a little while anyway.