Wow talk about stirring the pot! Thanks all for your inputs, I tried pinching the other night on the sim and found I felt fairly comfortable with pinch on right stick and thumb on left. I tried flying Slow Stick pinching Sun. evening but really can't make any comment, the wind was blowing it around so much it was all I could to do to keep it upright. Plus the pine tree in front of Debs had it in for me, I made three nice landings in it and one one the ground....

Andy