Well Here's The deal Helisfreak I dont have a radio for the echo 8, i dont have or know what gyro to use and any of that stuff! That's why I was purchasing the complete kit from Hobby-Lobby, Theirs NO GUESS WORK! Everything you need to build the heli comes in one package, just like when I purchased my hornet from Hobby Lobby, everything i needed for the hornet was their infront of me. I'm not worried about price, When I build an RC Heli, If Im not sure what I need, I like having it all their in front of me! Here's the Hobby lobby Complete Echo 8 Page; http://www.hobby-lobby.com/eco.htm And as far as the collective pitch Mixer control is concerned, It will allow you to use a regular 4 channel radio, and I rather follow instructions for that then play around with CCPM radio that, by the way I KNOW Nothing about. That might confuss me more.