i mastered hovering about a year into flying (not boasting, but they do say young'uns learn faster) then i slowly turned it so it was side on, then i learnt nose in. that took about 2 years since i begun, then i got AFP and mixed it into one then i managed the TR on the sim, in a few weeks managed a reasonably hight TR then a few weeks ago i managed to get about a couple of inched of the deck TRing on my flip. see my 'proof i do fly 3D' thread

dean, how old are you and how long you been flying. I started when i was 12 and learnt to hover at 13.