I dont want to comment further, 2 minutes at most on a flight sim with only 1 plane to try doesnt make a good comparison. Like I said the kid next to me made it 3d like a champ, but to a buddy of mine and me that particular extra we flew did not appear to fly realisticly, but Then again many planes in AFP don't fly realisticly either. At least in 3d mode, but you can learn a lot in the ones that do in a short amount of time. You need planes that torque roll easy (as an example) to learn how to get the basic reversing rythym down, but then you need touchy planes to improve those skills, AFP has those available, and reflex may as well, I just didnt get a chance to see it, too many people in line, not enough time