Ed Moorman, here is a puzzle for you. Some of the fun fly planes like the Pizazz will do it, others will not. At altitude, stall, full right rudder/idle, full up/left aileron. Start slowly crossing the aileron to the right and adding throttle. Develops into a beautiful stationary INVERTED flat spin. Why inverted when you have full up elevator? Rudder and engine torque maybe?

Ed M.

(Edit to change left rudder to right rudder. Don't know what I was thinking.)