kevin4hsrcm - You got that right, no pain, no gain, for you selling your kit. Don't get me wrong I'm not putting you down for the way you choose to offer you product. I am mearly commenting on my preferences, which happen to run along with the trends coming forth in the industry today (kits as complete as possible). The hardware issues I can totally agree with you on, everyone wants something different. You may have shipped all those kits to my area and I wish all those that bought them the best. I am just saying that for me there are ARF's, really complete kits, kits without hardware, and short kits. At this station in my RC life I draw the line at something that requires me to place a separate order for, or dig in my scrap wood pile to come up with the sticks and sheeting to compete. Especially something I just paid close to $100.00 for (no matter how good it's suppose to fly).