BTW, a properly set up pattern plane will hover, knife edge better than any plane you've ever flown, and flat spin with a decent chance of recovery

If you want to get into harriers and such, I would strongly advise against it. A good one will do it, but the time and money you'll have tied up in it, you shouldn't risk it.

In short, a well set up pattern plane will fly better than ANY plane you've ever had your hands on. PERIOD. You just have to feel one to understand, really.

Hydeouts and Prophecys are fine, but they are slightly dated. You really wouldn't be able to notice a HUGE difference until you got up to advanced, possibly masters. In the wind however, a Prophecy will dominate. Nothing penetrates like that plane, wind just rolls off of it.

I'd seriously think about that Symphony from www.aeroslave.com that thing looks AWESOME.

-Mike