Jon:

Our insurance is really not that bad, though some may think otherwise......AMA members and citizens alike have collected allot of money from the programs each and every year......

The site owner coverage is my big bugaboo as Treasurer and one of the Board Members of our local Club.......the first dollar coverage offered by the AMA for the almost neglibible premium charged is one great deal........our club of 65 members has looked into alternative coverage, but there is none offered that has the relatively seamless coverage offered thru AMA........and at prices starting about 2500 bucks a year....and up to stratosphere......if we lose our AMA site coverage, we lose our field......like next day express.......

As far as our personal liability coverage, well, that may be fraught with more problems with it's hookup with homeowners, but still lots of money is paid out each year for claims, so it is serving some members.......many of us back it up with a relatively inexpensive Umbrella, so it is less of a problem for most of us flying big iron, either Giant Scale, Pylons, or Turbines......

As far as this thread goes, what started out as a reasonable question about a P-200 on a KingCat, turned into another rant, one is a series of Wojtek rants, filled with misconceptions about outlaws operating turbines on the "non-AMA chartered field" which does not really exist.....what exists, and where Wojtek presumably flies is a field where the owner doesn't know or doesn't care about liability and allows a non-turbine-waivered AMA member to fly turbines, essentially naked of any AMA insurance coverage for the site owner or for the pilot due to flagrant National Safety Code/Turbine Regulations violations......that's fine if Wojtek and the landowner want to play the game that way, but only if he were not an AMA member...... but since he is, if he screws up, which by his own admission seems to more than infrequently by the number of planes he crashes, all of us in the AMA membership can get dragged into his outlaw crap by further exposing our insurance coverage to more uncertainties.........I doubt AMA's insurance underwriters really dig hearing about NON-WAIVERED AMA pilots flying turbines wherever, whenever, and as fast as they damn please.......knowing full well that, in the event of an injury accident, the plaintiff's attorney will drag in the AMA and it's insurance carrier without even so much as asking "Please"......

Wojtek knows all this.........I mean, he can't really be serious, calling moderators communists.......it's gotta be a Wojtek-Brand of humor......I would hope he would have a little more insight into a political regime that murdered 40 million people in the 20th century and imprisoned for life almost as many........Wojtek's attempt to establish a moral equivalency with commie behavior, when a moderator deletes a post....but he is not alone....now we got another thread here about Fascist moderators.....now which is it, Fascist or Communist......do either of them know the difference?? Or care?

Wish Wojtek would study hard, learn to fly, and get a waiver......then come to some of this summer's great Jet Meetings and show off his MACHO RENEGADE STUFF....always plenty of Redneks and Jerkoffs like me around for some verbal jousting......

Anyway, just being the usual devil's advocate while I try to solve my basement water problems after nearly 30 inches of rain the past month (average is about 3-4).......


Later......Tom