I'm presently trying it with a Sledge, I have noticed that it seems to roll out at about 270 under full power with the rudder on low rates. Want to try it with my Hard Bet next time I get that out. I've done them before with a couple of my own design 3D electrics, but they were on high rates at full power, it was more of a pinwheel than a loop, probably about 3 or 4 feet in diameter. AFP's a good idea, have to mess with it there. Thanks for the input.

Mike