TIANci, I sure can be a little "stinker ". Yes, I know about the VMAR quality, But for some reason I just like to stir-up a hornets nest now and then. It gets people to talk to me. Yes , the balsa they use is anything but good quality and their building techniques leave much to be desired. I just have the expirience to correct their design flaws and make the ARF a little more respectable. With a little extra time at the workbench, I made my VMAR RV-4 [3] quite an improvement over the standard production ARFs. One last item, No, I wont buy another VMAR. Of course, there's better stuff out there to buy. Seeya, MormonMike.