matt nah no offense i understand skill has alot to do with it. yes the park pilot i found different props to put on it with more chop to them thus giving you more thrust, looping is a piece of cake then i cant remember the brand off the top of my head. ok that was the best advice i received so far, if you crash dont keep trying to fly it and go over it. I think alot of my problem may have been speed, i was trying to get altitude too quick.......