Thanks Glow, I`ve always kind of felt the same way. While it`s not my interest or style, I DO admire the skill of the really accomplished aerobatic pilots ( one was my instructor ). I do consider them to be " advanced " pilots. If that means that I`ll never be an "advanced " pilot, then that`s OK with me. I will say, however, that even though DB considers himself " intermediate ", the actions he describes himself doing qualify him as " advanced " as well, at least in my humble opinion.