If you get into the Pheonix 25, consider moving up to a bigger plane. Especially if you plan on mostly outdoor flying. The shocky's are 3mm foam. Kinda flimsy in the breeze. The 36-40" stuff weighs in around 12-14 oz, and is 6mm foam. you just want to get the AXI 2212-26 or 2212-34 (same price as the 2208's)

You'll also have a setup that is more compatable with more planes. Makes transition from one plane to another a bit easier.

There are a ton of kits out there in the larger size. Mine are laser cut and 29.95. at www.3dfoamy.com You can also just scratch bild your own from the plans that are free (on the same site)

Fancy foam also has some, as well as foamy factory.


I like the shocky's but I hear alot of regrets from local guys after they fly some of the bigger stuff and see the difference.