My comments on the service issues are still pretty much in line with what I have posted in the other thread. Agreed, they are not the fastest, but unless you crash the engine it's not likely you will need any service.

I have enough faith in the company that I currently have a 6.4 twin on order. I know that I could get another engine from someone else faster, but I don't have the need for a "right now!' engine. I also don't have a need to feel that I'm "in with the in crowd" regarding an engine brand, so I'll wait for what I know will work well, reliably, and last for a long time.

I don't intend to offend anyone, that's just the way I feel about the deal.