Just found this thread. Very interesting reading. My flying goes back to the 70's and I remember most of the planes you all have talked about. I still have, and use, .60's from the 70's. Currently flying a Lanier Caprice w/ ST .60. 2 years ago was flying Kaos w/ Goldhead. Under my workbench is a NIB Skyglass Phoenix 5. Don't really know why I never built it, they were good flying airplanes. Does anybody remember a guy named Bill Kessler (BK Products) from the Denver area? He kitted an airplane called Nova. Glass fuse, foam wing, pattern ship.