Thanks for the reply desertrat. The reason I bought this certain planes is I spent about a weeks worth of phone calls trying to find someone that had everything in stock and it turns out that a hobby store about 75 miles from here could fill the bill. This is my first foamie and it has been a blast so far. It's nice to step out the front door give it a gentle toss and fly, I think the neighborhood cats are plotting aginst it though, it is helping me explore the 3d realm without the risk of trashing a high dollar plane. I am sure there are better out on the market but this will be a good stepping stone.