Before last spring thats all i did was fly in the wind of ponds ect,i found that my ultra stick flew better than my trainer it cut the wind much easier. and was more of a pleasure to fly! but when it came time to fly on a calm spring day it was a hole new beginning. I was so used to floating in the plane with the wind and almost hovering to a stop. so i guess 15-20 on the winds,the part i like the most is grabbing the wind and adding full throttle.yeah hah! [X(]