The Prog-Box works on all the Hacker Master controllers, not just the big one's. It would be hard to bundle every controller with one. I can set-up my plane without a Prog-Box no problem. I don't use the LVC, I leave the timing at the factory setting, I don't use a throttle curve and I can usually solder my controller up right the first time to get it to run the right direction (unless I'm rushed getting my plane ready for the Nats).

I tried playing with the LVC in a foamie, and found that I ended up setting it so low to get the most out of my battery that I felt it wasn't a feature for me. I usually can feel when my battery gets low, and also have a timer set (foamies). For the pattern stuff, I almost NEVER go over 10 minutes. For me, I don't see the need to push the batteries that hard. I treat them as if I have to buy each and every pack, just like I treat the rest of my equipment. I've never used a pattern pack to the point that I couldn't use it again (over discharged).