Of the 2 the Vmar is the most scale (IMHO), but the build quality is not as good as the seagull models (yet). Vmar seem to have been listening to the consumer, or are a secret member on this forum , because the ARf's are getting better little by little. Neither of them can be fitted with retracts without major rework and they both seem to be a little heavy stock so the extra weight may not be worth it.