Thanks for the feedback guys.

BlenderBender, writing down that How-To for the Blender, will definitely have to try that next time out. Betting I don't have the deflections on my trainer to get it going though.

bubbagates, thanks for checking that out on your sim. "a very violent negative snap roll", I like the sounds of that It's kind of a milestone when the most aggressive maneuver I've done so far is inverted flight and stall turns. Can't wait to experiment with it more, will try to get that "instant snap roll" with some ailerons.

This lomevack (S?) sounds a lot like something I'd get when doing a stall turn: go vertical, chop throttle, full rudder, full throttle just before plane stops, and every once in awhile I get this crazy twisting that seems to have the CG as the axis point. Very cool but can't do it at will. Will take your description to the field next time give it a go.