Here are three 60 to 90 size planes that are very good at 3D and also fly wonderful in pattern in a "detuned" mode. CAModel Zafiro 3D, Epsilon and the Widebody 60. //www.Patternproz.com is a good source to purchase the models. I have the 140 size Fantasy and also have the pattern version Eclipse with a Hacker C50 14XL. All of these kits are full body planes with very good slow speed characteristics. I think the difference with these planes is that they fly with precision as opposed to the typical only 3D oriented planes that have a lot of roll and pitch couple with rudder. As soon as I can save my pennies, I hope to convery my Fantasy to electric. Just my two cents worth.

Steve