thanks steve, I will check out these planes. I fly competition pattern with a 2 meter Sequel with a YS120. I love the smoothness of it, but it looks funny trying the hovering thing, although it can. Some of the older members in my club who have gas giants have gotten foamies and put $300 into what looks like a toy. I will be the first to electrify something big and get it to perform not onloy torque rolls down the runway, but smooth maneauvers in the sky as well. I believe it will be worth the investment to do it right. What I am looking for is 60+ inch wingspan, sport plane to scale looks and something that has unlimited vertical. Light would be best, therefore, made for electric and proven would be ideal. Thanks for the tip. Any one else with ideas?